On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:36:51 +0000, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson
<johann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Steve Youngs <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> > * Johann Oskarsson <Johann> writes:
> >
> > > Looking through a Motif tutorial, I discovered Motif has a
> > > standard File|Open dialog of its own.
> >
> > It is just a pity that Motif is soooo god damned buggy. Motif is
> > probably in the top 3 of the most troublesome and bug inducing
> > things in XE.
>
> Now I'm a bit confused, is Motif inherently buggy (like Windows) or is
> it just the Motif code in XE that's buggy?
>
> > (No, this doesn't mean don't do it)
>
> Hmm, k.
>
> >
> > > You can look at picture, if you want:
> >
> > > http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/X_lecture/X_book_caller/#fig:fsb
> >
> > I wonder if there is something similar for Athena? Because we'll
> > need an Athena version too.
>
> I have no idea. So far I've only seen pics of some Motif widgets.
> AFAIK, Athena is just a demo widget set from MIT with no real design
> behind it (info from a book written before '97). I think Xaw3d is
> more complete than Athena, but I'm not even sure of that.
>
> > > I'm not sure I'll put any effort into it, unless specifically
> > > requested, particularly by Steve.
> >
> > OK, I'm specifically requesting. :-)
> >
> > We _really_ do need more modern things like this.
>
> Right. I'm still reading a bit on Motif programming, and Xt and Xlib
> as well. (Motif is just a widget set on top of the toolkit Xt on top
> of the basic functions in Xlib -- how I just fell further in love with
> Qt)
>
> > > Don't be afraid to say "yay" or "nay" or "I don't care",
> >
> > Yay!
> >
> > But we can't just stop at Motif dialogs, the other toolkits (or
> > whatever the correct term is) need to be done as well.
>
> Yes, that's true, and we also need to plan things a bit.
See this is what sucks with all of these different toolkits, and what
also sucks is when people start a pissing and shitting contest with
which one is better. And in the end for a project like sxemacs, I
think once sxemacs supports one toolkit you might segregate your
audience (i.e. KDE vs. Gnome?..... Qt vs. Gtk...should people that
think that way not matter?). When it shouldn't be like that at all.
If you guys want to implement any Gtk related things, please let me
know, I am more than interested and willing to implement that. I
personally think it's a nightmare to support anything more than Motif,
but that toolkit soo blows, and is really dated.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what I was thinking when I wrote that sentence,
> I just lost the thread. I'm sure it's something very important
> that'll haunt us next year.
>
> > No, Johann, that doesn't mean I want _you_ to do all of them, unless
> > of course you want to. :-)
Johann you're not alone. I know i'm not in the IRC channel like i
used to anymore, but please contact me via email. I do check it
frequently.
>
> Good ;) I'm not sure I want to but I just might make a slight effort
> for demo purposes. Such as the Motif File|Open dialog.
>
> Johann
>
>
Nick
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